KingCavalier From United States, joined Nov 2006, 317 posts, RR: 9 Reply 1, posted (2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6058 times:
Aren't these regional aircraft routes? I'm afraid this is just the beginning. Analysts are predicting 20% less capacity in the industry by this time next year. That's the equivalent of losing a carrier the size of AA.
PanAm330 From United States, joined Mar 2004, 1982 posts, RR: 11 Reply 3, posted (2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 6014 times:
With the exception of CVG-CAK, these are all point-to-point routes, on RJs (is BOS-JAX mainline?). Can't say I'm surprised, especially with the MCO cuts. DL has made it known that they're after high yields - after all, they have to be, with today's oil prices. I'd expect more cuts in the future, on every carrier, unfortunately.
MSYtristar From United States, joined Aug 2005, 4345 posts, RR: 51 Reply 4, posted (2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5945 times:
Quoting Widget1580 (Thread starter): Discontinuation of MCO – BHM effective 19Aug
Discontinuation of MCO – MSY effective 21Aug
WN should be smiling at these two cuts.
As for MCO-MSY....it's the end of an era...again. This route was of course mainline for over ten years (seeing a nice variety of a/c....72S, 73S, 757, 767, 763, L10, M88), when it became all Comair CRJ's in 1995. Between '95 and today, it was canceled and re-started about two times. Of course since 1996, Delta has had to compete with WN in the market. I for one miss the days when DL was huge in MCO.
Skibum9 From United States, joined Nov 2001, 1037 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5912 times:
Quoting Widget1580 (Reply 2): Yeah but CVG-CAK is quite surprising IMO, wasn't that one of OH's first routes?
It doesn't matter that it was OH's 1st route. It is CVG! DL will cut CVG any chance they can. ATL rarely gets cut. DL has something like 6 dailies to ATL on a mix of CRJ2s and 7s. Compared to 2 to CVG on an ERJ135 and a CRJ2. ERJ135s are going totally away, so might as well pull down the route. They will probably lose a number of passengers who are traveling to midwest or northeast destinations out of CAK as who in their right mind would travel far south to ATL to go north? But DL is willing to give up domestic traffic as it is not that profitable. Also with fuel heading way north, I would expect more and more CRJ2s to be parked, which will mean the demise of CVG. Eventually the CRJ7s and CRJ9s will be hit as well. This could also lead to many smaller airports, only served by regionals, to lose their service.
KingCavalier From United States, joined Nov 2006, 317 posts, RR: 9 Reply 6, posted (2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5910 times:
Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 4): As for MCO-MSY....it's the end of an era...again. This route was of course mainline for over ten years (seeing a nice variety of a/c....72S, 73S, 757, 767, 763, L10, M88), when it became all Comair CRJ's in 1995. Between '95 and today, it was canceled and re-started about two times. Of course since 1996, Delta has had to compete with WN in the market. I for one miss the days when DL was huge in MCO.
I was wondering how long it would take you to comment on MCO-MSY. I'm afraid we're going to see many of these threads until the price of oil drops back down from its current level of Vulgar to a more manageable level of Obscene.
MSYtristar From United States, joined Aug 2005, 4345 posts, RR: 51 Reply 7, posted (2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5890 times:
Quoting KingCavalier (Reply 6): I was wondering how long it would take you to comment on MCO-MSY. I'm afraid we're going to see many of these threads until the price of oil drops back down from its current level of Vulgar to a more manageable level of Obscene.
Well, I just got home from work, and when I saw the title of this thread, I had a feeling the MCO-MSY would be a goner. My hunch was correct. I just wonder when and if the cost of fuel will ever reach that level of Obscene....
MSYtristar From United States, joined Aug 2005, 4345 posts, RR: 51 Reply 10, posted (2 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 5855 times:
FYI....when MCO-MSY gets the axe...DL will be at an all time low (excluding the months immediately following Katrina) in MSY in terms of daily flights: 13.
Growing up in Orlando, I remember when MCO has nonstop to the above cities on DL plus: TPA, FLL, MIA, RSW, VPS, BHM, GSO, CAE, GSP, CHS, BTR, MSY, LIT, MCI, IND, DAY, CAK, LEX, BNA, TRI, DFW, AUS, ROA, ORF, ACY, ABE, LAS, SFO, TUL, OKC, PBI, SJU, MLI, ILM, BUF, ROC, PVD, DCA, AVL
Never thought I'd see more mainline flights than connection flights in MCO. When I started working at MCO in June 2006, they had about 70 conx flights a day. When I left a year ago, they were down to somewhere around 50. Today they are down to around 25-30. End of August they'll be down to 17. Jeez! Sad sad state MCO is in now. Glad I got out of there when I did.
-Justin
"Well polish my nuts and serve me a milkshake" - Stiffler, American Wedding
Well they were generally around 35-40 in the early/mid 80's....more recently, mid 90's/early '00's, usually around 25....and they had, let me see here, 23 in August '05.
Warszawa From United States, joined Nov 2003, 663 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (2 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5754 times:
Quoting Skibum9 (Reply 5): They will probably lose a number of passengers who are traveling to midwest or northeast destinations out of CAK as who in their right mind would travel far south to ATL to go north?
If the price is right, many people would. I've done this several times on FL - FNT-ATL-EWR & Return, FNT-ATL-IND-LAX, and what feels like a million times already, FNT-ATL-LAX & return.
The people of CAK are not very limited with the demise of CVG - FL is still there to keep fares through ATL low, UA & NW offers service through DTW/ORD for CAK flyers flying to destinations such as MSP, ORD, MDW, MKE, STL, West, etc. East-Northeast still has several options on US through PHL or CLT, or of course you can still fly via ATL on FL/DL.
Flying a plane is no diff. from riding a bicycle. Its just a lot harder to put baseball cards in the spokes. -'Airplane'
Flyboy7974 From United States, joined Jan 2003, 1318 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (2 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5477 times:
Were the MCO cuts part of the Freedom pulldown or have those ERj flights already been reallocated?
From college, I have a fraternity bud that's flying the ERj and IAD based for Freedom doing the Delta flying, and before this and not too long ago, he was MCO based commuting from home near IAD, so I'm wondering if that's just the start as Delta tries to eliminate those ERj from schedules.
Besides mention of MSY being mainline way back when and a shock to be discontinued, I remember BHM being one of ComAir's first MCO routes as they built the hub there. ComAir would use BHM to filter a/c between their CVG and MCO hubs. My mother's family live in/near BHM and are all loyal Delta customers but began to hate connecting through ATL, so, we'd use MCO as their connecting point to LAX and they'd fly on the ComAir EM2 to MCO and then mainline Delta to LAX. Of course, all back when way before the regional jet entered commercial aviation.
Rampguy From United States, joined Apr 2006, 218 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (2 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 5414 times:
So if the Chq's E135 go, are we going to see other cities go, like EVV, FWA, SCE? I believe these cities only operate their flights to CVG with the E135.
Sponsor Message: 
From United States, joined Jul 2004, 258 posts, 
